Episode Overview:

Ultra-Staff EDGE welcomes Jon Devore, Skydiving Stuntman, Aerial Stunt Coordinator, and Aerial Cinematographer onto The Staffing Buzz Network! In this episode, Jon discusses overcoming fear, pursuing your passion, and building a strong team. Don’t miss his fascinating journey as captain of the Red Bull Airforce team and Hollywood stuntman on some of the biggest action motion pictures!

Jon will be a keynote speaker at the upcoming Midwest Staffing Conference taking place on April 23rd and 24th in Oak Brook, IL! If you enjoy this episode, sign up for the conference to see Jon’s keynote presentation, along with top of the line sessions from staffing industry experts: https://issaworks.com/event-5987551.

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Episode Transcript:

Bob Pettke: [00:00:00] Coming to you from the Ultra-Staff Studios in Chicago, welcome to The Staffing Buzz Network with your host, Bob Pettke

Hello everybody and welcome back to another edition of the Staffing Buzz. Network. I’m your host, Bob Pettke. And not only am I your host of The Staffing Buzz Network, but I am also the CSO here at Automated Business Designs. And we have our software Ultra-Staff EDGE, always talking about that because in the staffing community people might be interested in checking out what our full front office, back office, ATS, CRM solution looks like.

So don’t forget about that. But hey, the real reason I am here and obviously is the host of the Staffing Buzz Network is to talk about and it’s another segment really dedicated to the Midwest Staffing Conference that’s coming up here on April 23rd 24th and this is, another opportunity [00:01:00] if you haven’t done so already, to make sure that you look it up, check it out, and get yourself enrolled.

We’ve got a star studded lineup. As a matter of fact, we’ve got somebody who lives on the edge of danger, does some Hollywood stuff as well, that we’re gonna talk to be. I’ll be talking with you today, the Midwest Staffing Conference, people from all over the area come in. It’s being held in the Chicagoland area, in Oakbrook.

And we recommend that you get yourselves there. It’s gonna be held at the Drury Lane Conference Center, April 23, 24. That’s in Oakbrook. Great location in between a couple of airports, midway and O’Hare the accommodations right there as well. Great location, great venue. And, if you want more information, you could always email info@isaworks.com.

And right now there is a a special going on. You can get a free ticket to the Midwest Staffing Conference with your purchase [00:02:00] of three regular price tickets only. That’s right. Buy three. Get one free. And that’s only gonna run through yesterday, which I was recording was April 1st through April 8th.

Get yourself there. This is a highly anticipated two day event. It is designed for staffing professionals just like you from all over the area, all over the Midwest. We’re coming together. We’ve got a lot of people that are gonna come in and share their expertise. We’re gonna collaborate, we’re gonna learn.

And what’s best about is we’ve got industry leaders that are gonna do this. Get yourself enrolled and get yourself there. Stop by and see us at our booth. Our Automated Business Designs Ultra- Staff EDGE. We can talk about that ATS that we mentioned as we got started. But hey, without any further ado, I want to bring on our guest Jon Devore.

How are you, Jon? I’m doing great. How you doing? Good. Jon, I know you are out and about on the road getting ready to do [00:03:00] some work. This is the spot where I usually go into this very meticulous, detailed bio of who you are. But we’ve got a clip. It’s a little bit of a longer clip a little over two minutes, people that are watching hold on tight and listen and learn as we learn about our guest today and somebody who is going to be giving a talk at the Midwest Staffing Conference, April 23, 24.

Jennifer, if you’re ready, roll the film.

Jon Devore: My name is Jon Devore. I’m 35 years old, live in Orange County, California, and I jump outta planes for a living. We’re up here at Monterey, Mexico. We’ll be the first people to do a lot of the lines in Monterey Wingsuit flying is, it’s very much like a glider in a sense. Our wings are built almost like little parachutes.

There’s air cells that kind of pressurize. That we can manipulate and turn on a dime, fly up to each other, grab hands, fly over each other, fly right next to walls, close proximity, [00:04:00] super accurate. And it’s in a sense we’re human pilots.

It was probably seven, eight years of my skydive career went by before I made my first base jump. It was fun. Yes. A big thrill to jump off, say a bridge and have the ground rush and deployment. It wasn’t until the wingsuit fly in started progressing, and then I realized you could really, even with a, an object that’s only a couple thousand feet.

You can turn that into a minute plus of free fall. See ya.

That is good. I love it,

Bob Pettke: Jonn. You crazy. Just another day in the office. You are crazy, man. But I’ll tell you what that looks like amazing, bro. That is amazing. And, how does somebody take a class for that? Can they just come and take a class for that? Or what’s it take to get, to be somebody who can do those types of things?

Jon Devore: Yeah, I mean it’s really basic. It’s it all starts with going to your local skydive center and making your first skydive. And for most people that’s a tandem skydive. I’d say, just loosely making up numbers, but one in a thousand people [00:05:00] that do a tandem, they get addicted to it right away and they want more and they sign up for a class.

And within a four day long weekend, you could turn into a certified skydiver. Obviously a low jump number, beginner skydiver, but you could be well on your way within. A four or five day weekend of of just jumping a bunch at a drop zone. And then the smart people in the sport that wanna do what you just saw in that video, they take a lot of time and they stay in a drop zone, a skydive environment where they can train safely in the big blue sky and eventually they can start taking that into the mountains once their skill level rises up.

Bob Pettke: It looks like we got a little freeze frame on there, Jonn. It’s all good. Hey, so you mean I can’t just skip the whole tandem jump and put on a suit and go?

Jon Devore: You can. It’s the funny part about that is the world of base jumping has no real regulations. So if you, I guess it’s the rule of Darwinism, if you wanted to go for it, you could probably find gear online and buy it and go do it, and you would be [00:06:00] able to do it once.

I could promise you, you could get one in.

Bob Pettke: I take it you wouldn’t recommend that for the average person who’s looking for a little adrenaline junk, huh?

Jon Devore: No, I wouldn’t really recommend that route to anybody. The, the slow, safe route, being really current with a lot of jump numbers is the smart way to go about it.

Got it.

Bob Pettke: Ladies and gentlemen watching on the Staffing Buzz Network, this is Jon Devore. He’s a world renowned skydiver that was a wingsuit, if I’m not mistaken, Jon, that you were wearing. Yep. And you’re a stunt man. You’ve done things in Hollywood you’ve done stunts. We talked about it earlier before we got on point break.

Mission Impossible, iron Man three. Was it Fast and Furious? Seven. Yep. Drove some cars out. An airplane in that one. You’re driving cars outta airplanes, dude, that is Wow. Awesome dude. And then, you’re the longtime captain of the Red Bull Air Force which has led to some groundbreaking projects.

And through this, ’cause you’ve gotta build a team to do these kind of [00:07:00] things. You’re, you’ve gotta have a passion and discipline and you’ve gotta be creative to get yourself started with all these things. And you’re constantly taking on new challenges.

As we’re going through this and I’m learning more about you either by doing my research ahead of time or even now through our conversations one of the things I’ve recognized is there’s really two things that people are most afraid of. You know this. Number one is heights. Number two, public speaking.

Yeah, bro. Dude, you’re doing both. Bring it on.

Jon Devore: Yeah, bring it on. I think when, when it comes to that, it was I started getting into public speaking because I was invited years ago to do one. And it, I was super green at it, didn’t know what I was getting into. And without going too into that story.

I got onto the stage and I was having the same sensations that I was having when I stood on the cliff edge of a brand new base jump. Okay. And it was very strange and surreal to me that here I [00:08:00] am on the ground, just talking to people, but I’m having the same waves of emotion and sensations that I had in the Swiss Alps, jumping a big cliff.

And so I realized that it was, something for me to check that box in my life, the adrenaline part. And then through all my years I’ve had a lot of experiences from building teams and projects and doing things that we were told could never be done. And so I started, after that talk, I really realized that I had something to say that people wanted to hear, and it was from left field different than most people.

So I started pursuing that as well.

Bob Pettke: I don’t wanna get personal, but I’m gonna try and you can tap out of this question. Bring it on. What are you afraid of, man?

Jon Devore: Snakes.

Bob Pettke: No kidding.

Jon Devore: Okay. There, it’s snakes. Snakes. And if I grew up scuba diving and being in the water, but if I was swimming on my own in open ocean and I knew that there were sharks around, that might get me a little bit, but

Bob Pettke: Okay.

Yeah.

Jon Devore: Yeah, [00:09:00]

Bob Pettke: shark, and that’s another one. People all, people sometimes think that their demise is gonna come from sharks and yeah. I get it. All so you are human. He, you’re just a man, right? There you go. I dunno if you ever watched Rocky four Yeah. In that movie.

I think there’s some point where Rocky hits him, cuts him open. He says you’re just, he’s just a man. Yeah. He bleeds like everyone else. Yeah. Jon Devore is just a man. That’s it, Jon. You do this, you talk to a lot of people. What do you, what’s the most common question you get asked from people?

Jon Devore: I. Probably the most common one is what does it feel like? And it’s the most common question, but the hardest one to answer because Sure. Those that have ever made a jump can relate with what I’m saying here, and it’s impossible to explain the feeling you get from stepping out of an aircraft and surrendering yourself into that moment where there’s no turning back.

And then, that’s the. The initial feeling you feel from your first jumps. And then once you start jumping and the, those nerves calm [00:10:00] down, it then you, the senses that you have of the pure freedom of flight and being able to fly around and just have the a hundred plus mile an hour wind on you, acting like your engine.

Just the pure freedom and exhilaration it gives you, it’s really hard to explain until you taste it for yourself.

Bob Pettke: I’m gonna stay on this fear factor here for a little bit with some of the next things we’ll talk about. Okay. Do you still encounter fear when you’re doing these things?

Jon Devore: I do. I do. I there’s, I would, I’ll answer that two different ways.

One is at a skydive center in a very controlled drop zone environment where you’re jumping out of a plane, doing your normal jumping, there’re not so much there. It’s very much like a day in the office. You’re just going, there’s nothing outta the ordinary. I’ve, I have close to 22,000 skydives, so it’s.

It’s not like it’s overwhelming for me in that environment, but I do get myself into positions a lot. Whether it be even at where I’m at today at an [00:11:00] air show, there won’t necessarily be fear, but you start getting the adrenaline back, the kind of the rush. ’cause it’s different. You’re in a different place, different environment, and you’re having to process.

A whole bag of new new things coming at you so that all the way up to put yourself up on the Iger Mountain in the Swiss Alps and it’s freezing. The wind’s blowing and then the fear’s always there for me, no matter how many times I’ve done that.

Bob Pettke: Do you ever find fear friendly?

Jon Devore: I do find it friendly.

It’s, I never really had it put to me that way before but yeah, it’s, yeah, friendly. It’s a comforting thing because it’s something that I, I try to use as my guide a lot. I, there’s been numerous jumps in my life where it might be a four hour grueling hike up some mountainside to get to some exit point on a base jump.

And for one reason or another, whether it be weather conditions, X, y, z, the list goes on. But fear starts coming in so [00:12:00] strong that you let it be your guide and there’s times that you actually turn, even though jumping off and you’ll be on the ground in 30 seconds. There’s times that fear dictates what you’re gonna do and you turn around and do that four hour hike back down and not do the jump that you spent your entire maybe trip.

To go do

Bob Pettke: sure. Okay.

Jon Devore: Yeah.

Bob Pettke: Alright. I’m still in the, I’m still in the fear factor. I’m not bringing out any scorpions to crawl up your arms or snakes. ’cause I know maybe one of those might get you.

Jon Devore: Yeah.

Bob Pettke: So I got a couple of fear quotes for you. All right. I’ll give you one if you don’t get it right, I’ll give you a hint Okay.

To probably put it over the top. But who was known to say in some cinematic history, fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering. Do you know who that is right off the top of your head? I do. Now it’d be Yoda. Yoda is correct. Good job. Yeah. Here leads to anger. Anger leads to hate.

Hate leads to [00:13:00] suffering. Sounds like a Muppet. That’s a whole nother story. We can do another podcast. Little Jim Hanson. Yeah. How about this one? The only thing we have to fear. It’s fear itself, that would be FDR Franklin. You are the fear champion. So let’s talk about your message, right?

Because, I, overcoming fear is something that people have to face big and small, building teams doing their job, getting up every day. But specifically for your message, for the, for the audience that are, that’s coming in, what are some of the things that you really wanna make sure you know.

Let me frame this question a better way. Why are people gonna wanna come and see you and what can they expect?

Jon Devore: Yeah. I have a fresh look at what everybody has to deal with day to day, whether it’s in an office situation or jumping outta an airplane. We all go through the same things, even if it looks very different on paper.

And I kind of stair step in, in my talk. I kind of stair step through basically through my career, but. What I [00:14:00] learned along the way, and I didn’t have all the answers right away as a young skydiver trying to figure out how to do it. So the beginning is really, I talk about how I was able to identify a passion, something that was gonna make me very happy in life.

So I really enjoyed doing what I was gonna do as I got older. And then I tried to figure out what was around me to teach me how to turn that passion into a real profession, not just a hobby. Because most people especially look at what I do and they think, oh, that’s a hobby. That’s what you go do on the weekends.

I get it. But I wanted a lot more than that. I break into how the tools I used and what I did to identify how to turn it into a profession. And then as I started doing that for myself on a personal level, I started realizing as the years went on, the power of a team. I saw a lot of individuals being very successful, but they, in my view, especially in my sport, the individuals seemed to hit a brick wall in their career where it, it [00:15:00] went to a certain place and it never went beyond that.

But then I started getting into competitive skydiving and I started realizing what could be done when you start working with the team and originally, or initially. My first goal was to go win the national and world meets and things that are out there in, in the sports world. Building the proper team to go win whatever it is your goal is.

It doesn’t have to be an athletic, goal, but, that was my first goal. But then I started realizing quickly that with a team came a lot more attention and a lot of other opportunities started coming our way from. Holding training camps and seminars and putting on festivals and competitions.

So where I saw individuals hit a brick wall, I realized quickly that having this team was something I could use to even take my career even further. And then I, without just going through absolutely everything, it kept stair stepping like that. Where I started really realizing that building [00:16:00] the right team was how to turn this into a lifelong career.

Whether it was in the skydiving world. And then I started turning it into trying to find sponsors like Red Bull. Yeah. And building a team like that, or then building teams within Hollywood and production. I just started taking pieces of what I learned along the way and put those into play.

Bob Pettke: Secure a big sponsor.

We’re business people and staffing. These folks have to go out and secure new business on a regular basis. Talk. I. We’re, you might not expect this question and it just popped in as we’re talking. How the heck do you get Red Bull? And did was, were you going after other ones?

Did they approach you and this was real easy or how did it happen?

Jon Devore: It wasn’t real easy and I was not approached initially. But it was organic because I, my, my little joke I do like to say with Red Bull specifically is their slogan is, red Bull gives you wings. I always joke that if they gave you anything else but wings, we might not have a job.[00:17:00]

Sure. ’cause we fit their brand really well. But with the world of Red Bull and me, it was, like a lot in life right place, right time, but also identifying that you are in the right place at the right time and then acting on that. So it was, I met Red Bull when they moved to America as just in test markets.

They moved to the Vail and Aspen area and Lake Tahoe area, the mountain ski sports world, to test their product to see if it’d even work in America, because it was already going in Europe quite well. But America hadn’t seen it yet. And then my right place in time was, I’ve just become. Don’t quote me exactly on the order, but a recent national champion and I was top of the sport, so I was in the right position to be starting to look for sponsors and I was getting small ones, industry sponsors, some sunglass stuff, but nothing that was gonna be a career, explanation point.

And this is where I was gonna put my, ride that way for the rest of my career. But luckily when it was [00:18:00] presented to me as an opportunity, I grabbed a hold of it. I did the right things. I showed the, I put forward myself and my, the ideas and I, I really showed the sponsor how I was different than all the other people that would love to be sponsored by ’em and how I was really interested in their brand, not just money or a sponsorship, that we were on the same page in wavelength when it came to our messages.

And that’s really what helped, I think, was. Scene that it wasn’t just somebody being like, I’ll wear a Red Bull hat and I want this paycheck. Yeah,

Bob Pettke: no. And now I’m gonna go, I’m gonna go the wings route. Yeah. Because now we’re talking about wings and you said Red Bull, what is it with wings in Red Bull.

Jon Devore: Red Bull gives you wings.

Bob Pettke: Yeah. So when people come to see Jon speak at the Midwest Staffing Conference for about an hour, let Jon be. The win beneath your wings. That’s it. Dad jokes.com. I don’t know if it’s a real thing. Don’t look it up. I don’t endorse it. Our organization doesn’t endorse it. [00:19:00] But let Jon be Jon Devore, the win beneath my wings for at least 60 minutes or however long you’re up there.

That’s awesome. You bet. So you’re, you’ve got your jump team and then, how do you go from that? How do you make a segue into doing the things with Hollywood?

Jon Devore: Yeah. It was something at a young age in the sport of skydiving, but I identified that was an avenue I wanted to go down.

If it ever presented itself to me, I. Okay. But it was really coveted and it was really hard to get into it. ’cause it’s, our sport’s small, we’re not NFL players, F1 drivers, to do more than be a skydive coach or somebody like that. It’s really hard to do more than that within the sport.

But I did see a few people o at the time, older guys that had broken through that world of Hollywood. And they were the go-to phone calls whenever Hollywood had an aerial stunt. So I really just sat back and stayed on my kinda, rocket ship of competing and trying to be a pro skydiver.

But at the same time, I [00:20:00] quietly always studied those few people out there that were doing what I knew I wanted to get to as I got older and later in my career. And the simple truth is I put myself out there. I wasn’t afraid to be told no, and it’s just like whether it’s cold calling somebody or doing what I did, I just walked up to those individuals and announced that it was something that I really had a passion for, and whether it was sweeping floors, carrying gear, or being the star in front of the camera, it didn’t matter.

I just wanted my foot in the door, and I just kept asking for that opportunity until it presented itself.

Bob Pettke: Now, do you find yourself stunt doubling when it comes to these things or just being part of a team? Or would we have you, have you stunted, doubled for anybody we would know at all, or tell, talk to us about that.

Jon Devore: Yeah. All the above. I’ve been blessed to be in a lot of movies now at this stage of my career. And in the very beginning my very first big Hollywood job. And it’s funny, I say it like that because the scene [00:21:00] actually hit the cutting room floor because of politics, but it was in Batman the dark night, so I was doubling Christian Bale.

And quick. I see it. I see why it stop. Yeah, I see it. Go on. Yeah. The funny part to that story though is that I walk on first job I’ve ever been on and the second unit director is walking towards me and I see him visually. I could just see he’s getting pissed, he’s getting red, he’s yelling at the guy next to him and he walks up to me and he is you’re not six foot one.

What the beep are you doing here? I’m like, five eight, nowhere near six one Christian Bale. But the guy that sold me to them convinced him like, Hey, in the sky alone, you’re never gonna see the height of somebody, right? So let’s go do a day. And if you think he looks like a short guy, we’ll send him home.

So that was my opening, punch in the face to Hollywood was, instead of Nice to meet you, we heard all about you. It’s get outta here, you’re little. So that was like, oh boy, here we go. So that was my break into the [00:22:00] Hollywood world and then. As the career went on I and I’m not the only one that did this, but I was really adamant to try to convince the people hiring me to wear two hats just like I do on the Red Bull team, where I’m the stunt coordinator, but I’m also the performer in it.

Not every time, but if the situation presented itself. I always saw a lot more value in being a stunt performer in the mix. So then when you come down from performing and the director, whoever else is asking all these questions, I’m not having to be the middleman of my performers trying to relay a message.

I have firsthand experience on what we were Yeah. Going through. So usually that was a no-no. In Hollywood you’re either the stunt coordinator or you’re the stunt person. Okay. But slowly I convinced him otherwise. So

Bob Pettke: You’ve been accredited like that for being the stunt coordinator. Is it for specific stunts or all stunts or how does that work?

Jon Devore: It’s just depending on the movie. There’s been plenty. I’ve been hired and I’m just the performer in front of the camera. And there’s [00:23:00] some, I’ve just been the stunt coordinator ’cause I didn’t fit whatever the doubling was that needed to happen. And there’s been some that I’ve been. Both stunt coordinator and performer, and probably my biggest win on that one I got quite a bit of stories, but I really loved the point break one because that was one that I really had to have uncomfortable situations with some of the suits and convince them.

But I was hell bent on being Jonny Utah. So Jonny Utah. Yeah. Did you ever practice towards

Bob Pettke: Somebody’s gotta go down. That’s the original one, by

Jon Devore: the way. Yeah, I’m little old school. That’s what got me into the Scott Evan period. Was the 1991 original? No. All right. Awesome man.

Bob Pettke: Yeah.

Yeah. And did you ever have to practice your, I’m Batman. Did you ever have to practice that at all or just lip sync it? No. Little shorter been like. Yeah,

Jon Devore: I might look more like Robin, but

Bob Pettke: no, man. It sounds like you’re having fun along the way. You’ve got, as I’m listening and so many things just cross over in life no matter what you do. And you know what’s [00:24:00] nice about having you at this conference is that, you have a pedigree, you’ve demonstrated that, you’re gonna preach, but you’ve practiced what you’re gonna preach.

And I don’t mean preach as in the form as this, but your message is gonna be very, I think interesting to folks. Probably overcoming some challenge and adversity along the way. You bet. Facing some fears. You’re in I think you’re in Florida. Watch out for the snakes brother.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. And you might even see a gator or two along the way. Just you can, if they chase you, you gotta go into zigzag. We will talk offline. I can help you out with all that stuff.

Jon Devore: I did live a year down at Lake Okeechobee, so I’m all familiar with the Gators and snakes.

Bob Pettke: Okeechobee.

Good place to go bass fish into, but yeah, no kidding. That’s you can go down their alligator alley right there, the whole deal. Awesome. No, we’re looking forward to having you in I will be there. So it’ll be good to shake your hand and maybe spend a little time together talking a little bit more like we have today and any parting words or things you wanna share with people to maybe you have something coming up that people [00:25:00] wanna see.

I know you’ve got a circuit probably with your shows and, talk to us a little bit about that as we, move through this process.

Jon Devore: Yeah, me personally I, it’s a no brainer, but I’m a massive fan of air sports and more than anything about pursuing your passion and what you love, and that’s what I was able to do my whole life.

And I feel super blessed. I tell everybody out there, go do a skydive whether you think you want to or not. Most people will check it off their box, but I’ve watched it change so many people’s lives. Even if they just go do that one tandem jump. Because everybody has their own baggage and their own mental games, they play with themselves.

And whether you’re stressed at work, family, or you’re super happy and thriving, it really does change the course of your life because it’s so outta the ordinary and so surreal that it’s just something everybody should experience. So that’s my little plug for the skydive world because it’s something that everybody should touch at least once in their life.

Okay. ’cause it’s very special. [00:26:00] And beyond that, my message is just, trying to teach people how to identify passions and turn ’em into, whether it’s professions or just amplify your passion and to try to build the best team around you possible because you know you’re gonna grow so much faster as a team that all have each other’s backs that aren’t working individually, trying to backs stab for, whether it’s promotions or sponsors or whatever world you live in.

Most of my success is because the team that I’ve brought on, they’re we’re all brothers and sisters where we love to see each other win. And if you can build a team like that, everyone’s gonna win. So that’s my main, I. My main mission.

Bob Pettke: No, I think that’s a great message for people that maybe are trying to think, do I wanna go to this conference?

Jon, it’s a pleasure to have you on here today. One more of, many reasons for people to attend the conference. April 23 and 24 over in Oakbrook, Illinois at the Drury Lane. [00:27:00] And looking forward to seeing you in just a couple of weeks.

Jon Devore: Yeah, looking forward to meeting you and everybody else and it was a great time here on The Staffing Buzz with you.

Bob Pettke: Thanks Jon. Appreciate it.

Jon Devore: You betcha.

Bob Pettke: Okay, Jon Devore. That was fun. A little different for The Staffing Buzz Network. We were able to tie some things back in the staffing as I always try to do. But exciting guy. He’s got a good story to tell on fear. We talked about fear, and I think it’s something that everybody faces.

And, to do what we do every day, we’ve gotta take chances to be successful. So excited to see Jon at the conference. Remember April 23rd and 24th if you’re able, they’ve got that special going on through. Now through April 8th buy three. Get one free. So if you haven’t already, make sure Google Midwest Staffing Conference 2025.

You could email at info@issaworks.com. Get yourself there. Come by and see us. And it’ll be great. With that said, remember Bob Pettke. Not only just your [00:28:00] everyday Staffing Buzz Network host, but also part of the staffing community worked in staffing for years.

Now on this side of the business with our ATS and our CRM Ultra-Staff EDGE reach out to me. Would love to be able to talk to you about that. Either gimme a call you can find our information at abd.net or for those people that are at, the Midwest Staffing Conference come by and say, you told me to come see you on The Buzz Network.

Here I am. So with that said, get yourself signed up for that. And until next time, Bob Pettke from The Staffing Buzz Network. Take care and hope to see you soon. Thanks.